Yeah I've been playing it since it came out. Really like it, no more Warcraft for me!

Suddenly I could go for a burger.

But where shall I go to get it?

They might do that, not maybe I'll check and see if you really think the difference would be that significant. According to that link, Intel CPUs that are 2.6GHz are faster than my 3.2GHz AMD?! Good greif. I'll have to check and see what the cost difference would be to get much better performance; there's no sense in spending the same to get a slower chip that performs the same anyway... If I can spend the same or maybe very slightly more to get something significantly better then perhaps I'll do that. Not sure on their policy since the heatsink is installed and the ship will be smeared with thermal paste.

shit, I didn't know that. It used to be the other way around not that long ago.

Oh well, too late now and what I have is a lot better than what I had.

I vow to be on the AMD ship come hell or high water and you'll have to pry an AMD CPU from my cold dying hand as rigor mortis sets in before I would buy anything from that other place.

Why; you think I should've went Intel? I've been out of the loop. I just know that the 4200+ I had before (I think it was 2.2GHz) would spank a 2.2GHz Intel at the time.

From my first 386/40Mhz I've always liked AMD better.

So if I wasn't a lazy bastard I really should rip this new mobo out and replace it with the other one for only $20 difference. The other one is also an AM2+ / DDR 1066 capable but backwards compatible with my AM2 / DDR800 stuff.

Ugh, I HATE doing mobo swaps.

Thanks for the advice.

Why did they bother making it?

Ok, well, just an update....

I decided to upgrade now - motherboard, CPU, RAM ... and since I was buying more stuff they had no problem letting me exchange the 3870 even though the exchange period had passed... The 8800GTS G92 now works flawlessly with the new board, so the PS was not the issue at all. Guess it had something to do with my MB!

Athlon 64X2 6400+, 4GB DDR2, 8800GTS. Much happier now!

JAKG: Should I change the MB to a PCIe 2 board? I had read many times that we still don't even use the 1.1 bus fully, but then some people say it does make a difference. Thoughts?

Seems to run well even on the 1.1 bus, but my brain wasn't working at the store and I forgot about PCIe 2.

Never heard that one before!

(mm, yes I have)

shut up

Hm... Well, we can try it anyway.

Let me know if you can do that. I'll PM you the guest pass when I open the box tonight.

I might be able to help you out with that, I'll see how many are in the box. But then don't you need the DVDs anyway?? Finland is an expensive flight...

I've got it here in my office, waiting to be installed at home tonight... Anyone tried so far?

ROFL at that.

Are those known unknowns, or unknown unknowns? Or perhaps unknown knowns....

I suppose they're things that we know that we don't know. But for sure there are also things that we don't know that we don't know.

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:rolleyes:

Why don't you list for us all of the features that are present, according to the hype?

...

I don't know why they don't itemize individual features for us at this point, but they don't.

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There are two possibilities here:

1) They chose a method of creating a sim that can't possibly turn a profit, and millions will go up in smoke.

2) The product is actually revolutionary and it goes down in history as a huge turning point in computer gaming and motorsport.

Come on BBT, tell us which one it is. Screw the stupid NDA - those lawyer clowns just like to bullshit.

The crow flies at midnight, operation red tide is functional. Meet me at the bikeracks at 3.

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Maybe I should come back and hijack threads full-time again like I used to.

I've been missing that!

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It's elitest in that they claim "iRental == Sim Racing"

Many of us have been claiming that about LFS for some time now... Nobody's ever called us LFSers a bunch of elitist jer.. oh wait...

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That infers that, "Everything else == games for tots == LFS'ers == poo"

(not LFSers... I don't think RF players are poo, but I think RF is poo... Soon a lot of things will appear rather fecal)

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There are very few true racing sims around, and NONE which are actually finished- if your product was one of them I'd think that you'd want to advertise that point pretty heavily.

FTFY

Ahh I see.

Thirdly, When the car hits the ground after a jump it's going to have a lot more grip for a breif instant than it would than for example doing a standing start on pavement. Hence you can drop the clutch and peel out on pavement but still slip the clutch landing from a jump at WOT.

I can kind of see where you're coming from, but I don't understand what the problem is. They've made a product based on market research that they conducted (must've been that dilbert guy). Why does that make them "elitist"? I mean, I wish I could afford a Porsche (Shot's favorite) but I can't... Maybe that makes Porsche an elitist company, or maybe it just means they make a great product that costs a lot - in their case even if it doesn't have to. And real nice words about the USA PS, I guess that means I should wish doom on the Germans, because I can't afford a Porsche right? That was a pretty ignorant thing to say.

They could tell you but they'd have to kill you

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Respect!!

Unsure of how to interpret that...

Quote from Shotglass :

id probably enjoy it if it wasnt the half baked result of an ongoing finite number of chimps shakespear experiment that is bugged to the point where on my machine it soils itself every few minutes in a way that pressing the reset button is the only way to get the pc back into shape

Pity, it runs flawlessly on my machine, yours must be too "clean"

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i dont know... i havent really seen much marketing other than putting a lot of meaningless words into every newspost and interview on iracing so it doesnt seem like having a vp of marketing (so at least two of them wastes of oxygen who arent really good for anything other than cheap laughs in dilbert and userfriendly and selling lots of antidpressants to engineers) is a particularly valuable investment in this particular case

The dilbert guy probably solicitcs their target demographic, which we don't see...

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For me, its not the expense, its more a structural principle that's the problem. etc etc

I don't necessarily disagree with you on all of that, but it's the way things are moving, and the consumer has made it that way through piracy and whatnot. I really don't think that iRacing could afford to be pirated which is unfortunately probably one of the reasons there is no offline play etc. Consumers in general have been ripping off developers since day one of this industry. We could argue about why and how but the fact is simply that it's done. Consumers have used the internet to their advantage in a major way, and now developers are starting to do the same and we don't like it.

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PS: @BBT, you do come across as a bit rabid on this subject

I prefer the term charismatic...
Rabid or not I just tend to put my heart into everything I do, so if I have an argument about something I tend to present it with some chili peppers. I thought you guys would know that; how long have I been here?!

And for the record, I'm not "happy" about having to pay for iRacing, obviously if I was given the choice I would rather not just like everyone else. However, that doesn't translate into "it's a lot of money" (it's not, based simply on the market).

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Fact: until we have some tangible information in public all we can do is speculate and probably argue over their business model (which is basically all we know about apart from a handful of screenshots and a video and even that knowledge isn't really complete). Question from arises from said fact: is that process in any way useful?

Sure it is! It breaks monotony from work and forces Shot to come up with humourous phraseologies!

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Comparing it to other MMORPGS like WoW doesn't make much sense either. Apples to apples, does LFS not provide the same service already? If the Devs wanted to implement some sort of inbuilt league system, I'm sure they could do it relatively easily (a bundled insim app extension of LFSWorld stats).

You can compare certain aspects of anything if you want to.

I was trying to avoid direct product comparisons since the business model is the same anyway (save for the demo thing).